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Another attempt coming to destroy the Internet
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Chilly8
2013-02-04 01:10:26 UTC
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Article copyright 2013 Alpha Crucis Radio and TV

Article link:
http://alphacrucisradio.org/index.php?view=article&id=616:another-attempt-to-destroy-the-internet

After SOPA and PIPA, there is yet ANOTHER attempt to destoy the Intenret.
Harvey Weinstein, who is best known for his alternate history flick,
Confederate
States Of America, is now lobbying foir Congress to pass legislation that
would
require ALL web sites to pay a copyright fee just to LINK to copyrigted
content,
REGARDLESS of whether said link is infringing or not.

This could shut down nearly EVERY news site, blog site, and forum on the
Internet.
Even if a site is outside the United States, they could still be subject to
US laws. One
example of a forum that would need to pay copyright fees is one thread at
Figure
Skating Universe, becuase they link of an OC Register article regarding
Caroline
Zhang. If what Weinstein wants were the law now, Figure Skating Universe,
despite
being a British company, would have to pay copyright fees to the new
collection
society that would be created if this new law were ever drafted and enacted.

And what is worse is that what Weinstein intends to push for is a "willing
buyer willing
seller" approach, where a website would have to pay EVERY time someone
clicked
that link. This would create new kinds of logging requirements for websits,
which, by
themselves, would make blog, news, and forum sites, financially prohibitive
to operate.
\
Forum sites would be liable for any links a user posts, thus ending the
"safe harbor"
this has existed under both the CDA and the DMCA. This is jsut a way to
backdoor
in SOPA. Forums wlll have to review every post their users make, before
allowing
them to appear publicly. This can and should be called SOPA 2.0, becuase it
would
have third-party liability provisions, much like SOPA.

And even foreign sites could be subject to US laws. Precedent was set on
this in the
Richard O'Deweyer case, where a plea bargain was made, in absentia, where
the
former TV Shack operator will pay 20,000 pounds in fines and is sentenced to
time
served, while awaiting extradition, and, in return, will not be extradited
to the United
States.

And it gets even worse. The proposed willing buyer-willing seller regime
will also be
expaneded to YouTube and other video sites as well. Under copyright law now,
YouTube, and sites like it is not liable for any infringing content, unless
they are
notified, and they take it down promptly. Under this new law, they would
have to pay
a licensing fee to this new copyright society for merely LINKING to the
content.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-02-04 02:53:00 UTC
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Post by Chilly8
Article copyright 2013 Alpha Crucis Radio and TV
http://alphacrucisradio.org/index.php?view=article&id=616:another-attempt-to-d
estroy-the-internet
After SOPA and PIPA, there is yet ANOTHER attempt to destoy the Intenret.
Harvey Weinstein, who is best known for his alternate history flick,
Confederate
States Of America,
I'd never even heard of this film, so I looked it up and Harvey
Weinstein had absolutely nothing to do with it.

If you can't get even this simple fact correct, why should anybody
believe anything else you say.
Post by Chilly8
is now lobbying foir Congress to pass legislation that
So what? What kind of power do you think Weinstein has?
Post by Chilly8
would
require ALL web sites to pay a copyright fee just to LINK to copyrigted
content,
REGARDLESS of whether said link is infringing or not.
This could shut down nearly EVERY news site, blog site, and forum on the
Internet.
Even if a site is outside the United States, they could still be subject to
US laws. One
example of a forum that would need to pay copyright fees is one thread at
Figure
Skating Universe, becuase they link of an OC Register article regarding
Caroline
Zhang. If what Weinstein wants were the law now, Figure Skating Universe,
despite
being a British company, would have to pay copyright fees to the new
collection
society that would be created if this new law were ever drafted and enacted.
And what is worse is that what Weinstein intends to push for is a "willing
buyer willing
seller" approach, where a website would have to pay EVERY time someone
clicked
that link. This would create new kinds of logging requirements for websits,
which, by
themselves, would make blog, news, and forum sites, financially prohibitive
to operate.
\
Forum sites would be liable for any links a user posts, thus ending the
"safe harbor"
this has existed under both the CDA and the DMCA. This is jsut a way to
backdoor
in SOPA. Forums wlll have to review every post their users make, before
allowing
them to appear publicly. This can and should be called SOPA 2.0, becuase it
would
have third-party liability provisions, much like SOPA.
And even foreign sites could be subject to US laws. Precedent was set on
this in the
Richard O'Deweyer case, where a plea bargain was made, in absentia, where
the
former TV Shack operator will pay 20,000 pounds in fines and is sentenced to
time
served, while awaiting extradition, and, in return, will not be extradited
to the United
States.
And it gets even worse. The proposed willing buyer-willing seller regime
will also be
expaneded to YouTube and other video sites as well. Under copyright law now,
YouTube, and sites like it is not liable for any infringing content, unless
they are
notified, and they take it down promptly. Under this new law, they would
have to pay
a licensing fee to this new copyright society for merely LINKING to the
content.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Chilly8
2013-02-04 07:55:33 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Chilly8
is now lobbying foir Congress to pass legislation that
So what? What kind of power do you think Weinstein has?
The copyright "maximalists" are a well monied and
very powerful lobby. With one notable exception, they
have usually gotten what they want.

The copyright maximalists and their kronies in
legislative bodies all over the world are more
powerful and more of a threat to internet freedom
than you realise.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-02-04 08:57:51 UTC
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Post by Chilly8
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Chilly8
is now lobbying foir Congress to pass legislation that
So what? What kind of power do you think Weinstein has?
The copyright "maximalists" are a well monied and
very powerful lobby. With one notable exception, they
have usually gotten what they want.
The copyright maximalists and their kronies in
legislative bodies all over the world are more
powerful and more of a threat to internet freedom
than you realise.
I asked you a question and what you said does not come anywhere near to
answering it.

So try again.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Chilly8
2013-02-06 00:04:39 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Chilly8
is now lobbying foir Congress to pass legislation that
So what? What kind of power do you think Weinstein has?
The copyright "maximalists" are a well monied and very powerful lobby.
With one notable exception, they
have usually gotten what they want.
The copyright maximalists and their kronies in
legislative bodies all over the world are more
powerful and more of a threat to internet freedom
than you realise.
And it may get worse. One article out there
is citing leaks saying that another SOPA is
being drated now.

It seems that those who want to destroy
the Internet will never give up.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-02-06 00:08:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chilly8
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Chilly8
is now lobbying foir Congress to pass legislation that
So what? What kind of power do you think Weinstein has?
The copyright "maximalists" are a well monied and very powerful lobby.
With one notable exception, they
have usually gotten what they want.
The copyright maximalists and their kronies in
legislative bodies all over the world are more
powerful and more of a threat to internet freedom
than you realise.
And it may get worse. One article out there
is citing leaks saying that another SOPA is
being drated now.
It seems that those who want to destroy
the Internet will never give up.
a
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Chilly8
2013-02-06 07:54:47 UTC
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This article in Breitbart seems ti indicate
that another SOPA is being planned

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/02/01/Son-of-Sopa
Jeanne Douglas
2013-02-06 08:09:22 UTC
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Post by Chilly8
This article in Breitbart seems ti indicate
that another SOPA is being planned
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/02/01/Son-of-Sopa
That you think breitbart is a reputable source for anything is just
another proof of your insanity.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Chilly8
2013-02-26 04:49:58 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Chilly8
Article copyright 2013 Alpha Crucis Radio and TV
http://alphacrucisradio.org/index.php?view=article&id=616:another-attempt-to-d
estroy-the-internet
After SOPA and PIPA, there is yet ANOTHER attempt to destoy the Intenret.
Harvey Weinstein, who is best known for his alternate history flick,
Confederate
States Of America,
I'd never even heard of this film, so I looked it up and Harvey
Weinstein had absolutely nothing to do with it.
He is part owner of the Weinstein company, which
produced that film. Harvey and Bob Weinstein are
the ownners of that company.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-02-26 07:29:01 UTC
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Post by Chilly8
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Chilly8
Article copyright 2013 Alpha Crucis Radio and TV
http://alphacrucisradio.org/index.php?view=article&id=616:another-attempt-t
o-d
estroy-the-internet
After SOPA and PIPA, there is yet ANOTHER attempt to destoy the Intenret.
Harvey Weinstein, who is best known for his alternate history flick,
Confederate
States Of America,
I'd never even heard of this film, so I looked it up and Harvey
Weinstein had absolutely nothing to do with it.
He is part owner of the Weinstein company, which
produced that film. Harvey and Bob Weinstein are
the ownners of that company.
Is there nothing you won't lie about:

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/companycredits>

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/companycredits>

Now you tell me where the Weinstein Company is on either of those pages.

And, when you can't, confess your lie and apologize.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Chilly8
2013-02-04 06:35:49 UTC
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"Chilly8" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:510f0a83$0$11804$c3e8da3$***@news.astraweb.com...

I am on a long driving holiday in Latin America, driving through
Mexico and Central America, but I will want to stay close
enough to be able to drive to Washington, DC within a few
days, should this linking bill be drafted and sent to the floor
for a vote.

The copyright maximalists usually get what they want,
and they have probably learned from the defeat of
SOPA. They will probably want to get this bill drafted
passed before any major opposition can be
mounted.

As far as my driving holiday in Mexico, I will
be using a new superhighway just built that will
bypass Mexico City, and also take about 100
miles off the trip.

Also, new superhighways will provide more
direct routing to Central America. The route
I will be taking will go through Quezaltenango,
Guatemala, where on Guatemalan figure skater
was born. Brandon Miroz was born in
Quetzaltenango and is coached by
Tom Zakrajsek
Jeanne Douglas
2013-02-04 08:58:36 UTC
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Post by Chilly8
I am on a long driving holiday in Latin America, driving through
Mexico and Central America, but I will want to stay close
enough to be able to drive to Washington, DC within a few
days, should this linking bill be drafted and sent to the floor
for a vote.
The copyright maximalists usually get what they want,
and they have probably learned from the defeat of
SOPA. They will probably want to get this bill drafted
passed before any major opposition can be
mounted.
As far as my driving holiday in Mexico, I will
be using a new superhighway just built that will
bypass Mexico City, and also take about 100
miles off the trip.
Also, new superhighways will provide more
direct routing to Central America. The route
I will be taking will go through Quezaltenango,
Guatemala, where on Guatemalan figure skater
was born. Brandon Miroz was born in
Quetzaltenango and is coached by
Tom Zakrajsek
d
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Chilly8
2013-02-08 18:52:55 UTC
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These people that want to destroy the internet just
won't quit. Now there is word of a Trans
Atlantic Free Trade Agreement (TAFTA)
coming down the pike that could include
the worst of ACTA, TPP, SOPA, PIPA,
DEA (Digital Economy Act), Hadopi,
and much more.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130207/08080221909/us-europe-move-to-tafta-yet-another-chance-to-push-through-actasopa-style-ip-maximalism.shtml
Jeanne Douglas
2013-02-08 22:59:13 UTC
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Post by Chilly8
These people that want to destroy the internet just
won't quit. Now there is word of a Trans
Atlantic Free Trade Agreement (TAFTA)
coming down the pike that could include
the worst of ACTA, TPP, SOPA, PIPA,
DEA (Digital Economy Act), Hadopi,
and much more.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130207/08080221909/us-europe-move-to-tafta-
yet-another-chance-to-push-through-actasopa-style-ip-maximalism.shtml
.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Chilly8
2013-02-08 23:48:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chilly8
These people that want to destroy the internet just
won't quit. Now there is word of a Trans
Atlantic Free Trade Agreement (TAFTA)
coming down the pike that could include
the worst of ACTA, TPP, SOPA, PIPA,
DEA (Digital Economy Act), Hadopi,
and much more.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130207/08080221909/us-europe-move-to-tafta-
yet-another-chance-to-push-through-actasopa-style-ip-maximalism.shtml
This is NOT fiction. The control-freaks will never
give up. As their latest international treaty, TPP,
appears to be starting to come apart as some
countries reconsider their support, along comes
TAFTA.

I liken these people to the British PM Sir Allistair
Dormandy (played by Kenneth Brannagh in
Pirate Radio), who got the Marine Offences Act,
to outlaw offshore radio broadcasts to Britain,
passed, even though the people did not want
it.

There are those who will stop at nothing to destroy
freedom and privacy on the Net, and now
CISPA will be making another run.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130206/18165321900/cispa-sponsor-rep-dutch-ruppersberger-promises-return-cispa.shtml
Jeanne Douglas
2013-02-09 04:18:00 UTC
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Post by Chilly8
Post by Chilly8
These people that want to destroy the internet just
won't quit. Now there is word of a Trans
Atlantic Free Trade Agreement (TAFTA)
coming down the pike that could include
the worst of ACTA, TPP, SOPA, PIPA,
DEA (Digital Economy Act), Hadopi,
and much more.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130207/08080221909/us-europe-move-to-taf
ta-
yet-another-chance-to-push-through-actasopa-style-ip-maximalism.shtml
This is NOT fiction. The control-freaks will never
give up. As their latest international treaty, TPP,
appears to be starting to come apart as some
countries reconsider their support, along comes
TAFTA.
I liken these people to the British PM Sir Allistair
Dormandy (played by Kenneth Brannagh in
Pirate Radio), who got the Marine Offences Act,
to outlaw offshore radio broadcasts to Britain,
passed, even though the people did not want
it.
There are those who will stop at nothing to destroy
freedom and privacy on the Net, and now
CISPA will be making another run.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130206/18165321900/cispa-sponsor-rep-dutch-
ruppersberger-promises-return-cispa.shtml
a
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Chilly8
2013-02-10 20:57:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chilly8
There are those who will stop at nothing to destroy
freedom and privacy on the Net, and now
CISPA will be making another run.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130206/18165321900/cispa-sponsor-rep-dutch-
ruppersberger-promises-return-cispa.shtml
And CISPA is to be reintroduced on Wednesday

http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty-national-security/cispa-claws-back-life
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